BIG T Trauma Pitfalls 3

BIG T Trauma Pitfalls 3

[00:00:00] Welcome back to Behind the Knife. This is Patrick Georgoff, trauma surgeon at Duke University, and today is another installment of the Big T Trauma series. So the Big T Trauma series offers clinically oriented material that focuses on how best to care for traumatic, injured and critically ill patients. So past topics have included things like transfusion medicine for the trauma surgeon.

Gun violence, neck trauma, and a whole lot more. You can find the whole series on our website and app, and this series gets its name from the University of Texas at Houston Memorial. Hermann Red Duke Trauma Institute, one of the busiest trauma centers in the entire country. And today we're joined by Dr.

Teddy Cuo, one of my former co-fellows, now faculty at UT Houston. And Dr. Jason Brill, trauma medical director for the US Indo-Pacific Command. Also one of our former co-fellows, and we have an extra special guest, a new father from four days ago, Dr. Jared O'Ree, who's currently a first year fellow at UT Houston.

Jared, are you surviving the birth of your child? Yeah, it's been tough, but we're getting through it and I think the kid's just lucky that [00:01:00] she took after the looks of her mother, not me. Otherwise she'd be in trouble. So I'm excited you guys are all here. Teddy, why don't you tell us what this episode's all about?

All right, I'd be happy to. So we have compiled a list of scenarios that we would consider pitfalls and trauma. These are cases that the wrong decision leads you to stand on in front of a podium at your m and m. One of my favorite quotes from training, and I say this all the time to the residents, is the eyes did not see what the mind does not know.

When you step back and think about it, you realize that principle is really core to all of our training and the basis for this episode. It's really important to know what you're looking for or you're never gonna recognize it. Yeah. And of all of the episodes aired in the Big T trauma series, pitfalls are fan favorites.

So we have compiled a list of slightly more complicated and maybe some not so obvious scenarios. Uh, though we have all experienced, I promise every, everyone here has seen this at one point or another, and we think that the BTK community would benefit from hearing these, [00:02:00] even if they aren't obvious.

First again, we've seen them, uh, and so we'll, you can play detective as we go along and maybe predict what we're about to, uh, describe as a pitfall because again, we, we've seen them either happen or, or almost happen. Pitfall number one, Jared, you are in the trauma bay receiving a 25-year-old male who's involved in an MBC.

He has the following vitals, heart rate's one 30 systolic blood pressure 100. Oxygen saturation is 90% on a non-rebreather, and he has a GCS of six. A primary survey is performed. There is concern for airway production due to his GCS of six. He is got decreased breast sounds on the left and palpable femoral pulses.

A quick secondary exam reveals seatbelt sign. Along the, uh, lower part of the abdomen and a left ankle deformity. He has two 18 gauge IVs already in place, and blood is on the way. A chest tube is immediately placed. There's a rush of air and about 300 ccs of blood without any bleeding Thereafter, I. Fast exam is negative and chest x-ray confirms absence of a hemo or pneumothorax and shows you're [00:03:00] well-placed chest tube.

And a pelvic x-ray shows pelvic fractures without an open book, so in order to protect the airway and improve oxygenation, the patient undergoes uncomplicated, rapid sequence intubation and fortunately he codes shortly thereafter. Now, Jared, there are a number of problems with this scenario. Some more obvious than others.

Let's go through them. What do you think? Um, this patient is in hemorrhagic shock until proven otherwise. I think when we performed our rapid sequence of ation, we took away the patient's sympathetic tone. That combined with the introduction of our positive pressure ventilation, we also decreased his end diastolic filling pressure and cardiac output.

I. That's what caused him to arrest. If I could have this one back, I would resuscitate with blood products first. I think this is a really good example of when CAB meaning circulation, then airway, then breathing, trumping the traditional ABCs. Yeah, you've got it. Jaron. So the military has been pushing treatment of exsanguinating hemorrhage before addressing airway and breathing for quite a while.

So we, we call this XAB, [00:04:00] C, so exsanguinating, hemorrhage, and then airway, breathing and circulation. And I think, uh, the wider community is catching on because in the next iteration of A TLS, the 11th Edition, there will be recommendations to resuscitate with blood products whenever possible. Before intubating a patient in hemorrhagic shock.

Um, for, uh, a little bit more on this checkout episode seven 30, a Circulation First Approach to Trauma Resuscitations with Doctors DIS and ADA for more on this topic. Yeah, and a quick plug. So if you use our website or an app, you can easily search for episodes. So we now have over 850 episodes. So you can search by keyword, by topic, by series, et cetera.

It's really easy to find compared to Apple or Spotify or whatever you're using as a running list. So Jared, this case also highlights the importance of a rapid and complete primary survey with the appropriate use of adjuncts. And remember that trauma patients, they die from TBI and hemorrhagic shock.

Yeah, that's right. This patient presented on the farther right end of stage three. [00:05:00] Hemorrhagic shock which can bring with a confusion and anxiety, which may be mistaken for altered mental status secondary to his head bleed. Yeah, it's important to remember that yeah, airway is certainly critical, right?

Nobody here is arguing that we throw a TLS out the window. That algorithm is important, but airway doesn't exist in I isolation. In other words, yes, you've secured an airway, but if you've forgotten the rest of the ABCs, it does you no good just to have the ET two in the right position, right? That that's only part of the story.

Uh, so somebody with a stab wound to the neck or a large TBSA burn. Yeah, that's a true seconds count airway emergency. Go ahead and secure the airway right then. But when the patient has sources of bleeding and they're satting in the nineties, maybe start a resuscitation first. Uh, rather than killing them with a bolus of propofol and a paralytic.

I think this is a really important concept, especially if you don't see these type of patients very often, [00:06:00] but it it, it's important for listeners to, to think about that C is the new way. This is especially true in penetrating trauma. We often mask ventilate patients from the ED to the operating room, and we very adamantly try to not intubate these patients in the ED and wait till they're, we're in the, or prepped, draped with a knife ready before they get intubated.

Yeah. This will be great with the 11th edition of A TLS, the X-A-B-C-D-E, again X for exsanguinating trauma. Patients think about resuscitating before intubating, so that wraps up. Trauma pitfall number one. Intubating a patient in hemorrhagic shock in the ED causing them to code. No. Good. Alright, next scenario.

Jared, 60-year-old female had a ground level fall also with the GCs of six in this scenario and is otherwise stable. The patient is given rocuronium. For a paralytic and intubated. So the patient gets trauma scans and the head CT shows a 0.8 centimeter subdural hemorrhage. There's four millimeters of [00:07:00] midline shift.

Jared, what is the subtle pitfall here? Uh, yeah, I think my neurosurgery colleagues are gonna be not so happy with me for this one when my intern consults 'em from the CT scanner because the first thing neurosurgery is gonna want to do after reviewing the imaging is examine this patient off of sedation.

The keyword being off of sedation. My rocuronium decision is probably gonna delay that 45 minutes to an hour if she emerges where the worst exam that's on us. In this case, I would probably reach for a shorter acting paralytic like succinylcholine, and because the rapid offset of about five minutes allows for much faster monitoring of mental status off of sedation compared to something longer acting like rocuronium and really potentially jails you for a crucial time period after that initial injury.

I, I agree. I know this episode is gonna be after the AB site, but I feel like we, if you talk about succinylcholine, you gotta remember the ab site question, right? That it, it always has a risk of [00:08:00] hyperkalemia. So we gotta remember to be careful for patients like endstage renal disease burn patients, even like crush patients.

Sine choline is a depolarizing paralytic agent that can cause a large influx of potassium. So if you knew that the patient had a fistula, I would. Definitely avoid it in that situation, but in, in the absence of those contraindications, it's good for head injured patients as we talked about. 'cause it's fast off.

Yeah. Yeah. In general, if you're looking to do a rapid sequence intubation, the vast majority of patients, except for the, the very few that Teddy mentioned are gonna tolerate Saxon choline just fine. And it's gonna be much better for you in, in trauma world to reeva be able to reevaluate that patient. And then you can also use either, essentially ketamine or so if you just pick your favorite pick, ketamine.

T accommodate whatever you like better. Get that dosage, uh, figured out in your mind and plan on giving the vast majority of your trauma patients suc, choline. Expect acceptance, special circumstances. You're gonna be well on your way. [00:09:00] Yeah. Uh, I guess we should mention Rocuronium does have, uh, reversal agent.

So if you've heard of Sugammadex, you know, normally that's our anesthesia colleagues that have. More ready access to that. It may or may not be available in the emergency department, does come with a cost monetarily, so that's why it's a locked up sometimes. Really, I, I think if you need that. Ask your anesthesia colleagues for help if you need access to it, because it can be something that if you didn't realize, oh, there is a head bleed and we need to reverse this, that that might be an option for you.

Or let's say you weren't able to use YL choline, this patient was on their way to dialysis when they fell and bumped their head, and you have a contraindication. Well, well maybe you give 'em rock and then just reverse it afterwards. Sure. So pitfall number two, wanna avoid using a long acting paralytic when intubating a potential TBI patient as this prohibits rapid repeat neurologic exam.

Alright, the next one. This is [00:10:00] a juicy one. It's ripe for chaos. It's the trauma transfer. Oh, sabotage. Sabotage lurking at every corner. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Admittedly, this is a skill that I'm, uh, still acquiring in Chicago where I did residency at, uh, Mount Sinai. Accepting a transfer wasn't really a thing because a level one trauma center is at least every half mile with 19 being in Cook County alone compared to Houston, where there's only two and only one with the helipad, AKA ut and my first thought was, yeah, big deal.

You talk to the transfer center and accept the transfer, but they tend to be fraught with booby traps. Yeah. Yeah. And this is not to say that every transfer is a pitfall. I, I would say the vast majority of the time, 98% of the time, there's no issue. And in fact, it's much more common and there is research ongoing in this topic, more common to find yourself scratching your head and asking, why do we need to transfer this stable patient that.

Probably could have been taken care of [00:11:00] at the sending facility. But in any case, you do have to be on the lookout because even if it only happens a few percentage points at the time when you encounter a pit fall, it can be devastating. The way I think about this, we, we have to assume that the provider managing the patient has the patient's best interest in mind, right?

Nobody would ever assume otherwise. Um, but they may not really have the resources to manage them. And so as level one trauma centers, that's where we step in. Yeah. Teddy, what are some of the more common pitfalls that you see when it comes to transfers? Man, I think this is definitely a skill, right?

Because if you don't teach, if we don't teach this in training, then you become a, an attending and all of a sudden it's like this brand new thing. But one of the things that I've learned for sure is acuity, right? So I, I can't tell you the number of times that I've accepted a stable patient, quote unquote, who arrives like.

Per arrest or they're stable, but they're on a no IP infusion, and that, by the way, [00:12:00] that doesn't count as stable if they're on pressors. So you should always be ready for whatever condition they're gonna come in, right? Even though they're a transfer, they can still be acutely ill. So you should have all your equipment as if they're a fresh trauma right off the street.

So lines, tubes, blood, everybody should be there, ready to handle whatever rolls through the door. Yeah, Teddy, I, I think that advice is great. Treat every trauma transfer as a new patient, just like EMS brought them to you. Not that things may have not been done to them already, but I think starting from square one and doing everything you would normally do for a new patient is great.

I, my level of vigilance is always a little higher for these patients, and I really try not to get biased by what the transfer center told me or what I heard through the grapevine, or even maybe sometimes what the sending provider tells me. So here's an example. So I hear about a pelvic fracture and they don't have an orthopedic trained trauma orthopedist over there, and so they need to send the patient because of the [00:13:00] pelvic fracture so that we can fix it at our level one facility.

Great. So it's why I accepted the transfer. But then the sending facility forgets to tell me, let's say about a pulseless lower extremity from the dislocated knee that was reduced at the outside hospital. Oh yeah. And they also have, uh, gross hematuria from the missed bladder injury or from urethral injury, so, right.

So they also, let's say they saw a bullet on chest x-ray and the found down patient and forgot to mention that, uh, I think if you treat these patients like they are fresh traumas, then you'll catch these things that we. Are designed to catch, but not all of these sending facilities are always going to load the boat and give us the correct story about the patient.

I think a, a common one that I've seen, especially here at UT, is just incorrect imaging. When they arrive in the ed, we're told that the patient is pan scanned, but then you upload the imaging with radiology and [00:14:00] all of your CT scans head to toe are without contrast. And a super common one is that they're missing a permanent scan that the.

Standalone facility may not have known to get like a CTA neck when the patient has a seatbelt sign across his chest. This is also a common board scenario that I ran into while studying for my oral board exam. Uh, when the examiner gives you incorrectly phased studies or studies without contrast, I. And there'll be a patient that'll go to some company that'll scan you head to toe to look for cancer or something like that and your examiner will be like, okay, here's the scan.

And you have to ask and say, what phases was it with IV contrast? If you don't, that's a pretty much an automatic fail. So this is, uh, a pitfall that goes beyond trauma transfers. Yeah. Any thoughts on the patient who's been operated on at an outside hospital before getting transferred over? I recently had firsthand experience of this.

One had had a patient who had a splenectomy done after a gunshot wound at another hospital. Uh, and they had to transfer them to us 'cause they also had a, a brachial artery injury. So we [00:15:00] were focused on the brachial artery, but at the same time, the patient was decompensating from missed intrabdominal injury, so we had to reopen them.

So I think it, yeah, want, want, want more operating, but, so I think it's, listen to what the outside facility. You, but also verify when they get there and, and treat the patient right? Yeah. Yeah. I did have fun shunting the brachial while Teddy and my, uh, co-fellow plate miss injury bingo in the belly. Yeah.

I'm glad you had fun with that. Somebody did. Yeah. I'll get on a soapbox for a second. I, I think asking the right questions when accepting a transfer is absolutely critical, and it is incumbent upon you as the accepting surgeon to do this. Don't depend on the sending facility to know what you want. And they may not see trauma ever.

And, and so they really are depending on you to be the captain of the ship here and, and get specific with those questions, you know, vital signs, maybe including some trends, what drips they're on, uh, the [00:16:00] labs that you want to hear about, um, imaging. And as mentioned the, the phases and how that imaging was done.

Know the past medical history at the sending facility because they've seen this patient before. Uh, and there's an anticoagulant or something major on there. And then I, I always ask for a complete list of injuries. Um, not just the ones that they can't handle at that facility and want to transfer for, and then when you know those, okay, so what interventions have been done for those and how's the patient responded?

I would say all of those are fairly critical questions that you may not be able to get a hold of that facility or that provider. By the time this patient arrives, potentially several hours later, so the way I think of gathering this information is how would I present this patient to my team at Sign out the next morning?

And I always prefer to get that information from the treating surgeon or if they're not available, the emergency medicine physician, uh, whoever's the primary person taking care of that [00:17:00] patient. Um, I'll mention in Hawaii, this is a state standard that's mandatory every time that there's a physician to physician turnover.

Um, but I understand that practice patterns vary. You don't always have time to listen to this entire story, but I would say if, if you don't. Have due diligence every time you are going to encounter this pitfall at one point or another. Yeah. Well said, Brill. So that's pitfall number three, accepting a transfer.

And I think I wanna add one, one piece to that as well, and I try my darnedest every time to ask the transferring provider to ask our transfer center, et cetera. I'm like, double, triple, quadruple shirt. You send those images over, right? They're pan scanned. Those images are done, maybe they're done. Correct?

Completely correct. And so often they come with no electronic transfer, no disc, no reads. It's an al violation. Oh, it's, yes, it is. It is. And it's, but it's so frustrating. It happens all the time. There are times, usually we can hunt 'em down. In this day and age, it's easier to get those electronic [00:18:00] transfers more and more, thankfully.

But you still end up having to re-scan some of these people and that's just, it hurts my soul when that happens. So. Let's go on to the next case on your own male motorcycle collision. Alright, this patient has intracranial hemorrhage, multiple rib fractures, and they underwent an X lab with splenectomy.

And the patient is noted to have a dirty, mangled lower leg. There's mud and gravel embedded in real to up exposed muscle, and there's, uh, multiple fractures that are obvious in the, in the lower leg. So multiple services are involved as they often are when it comes to mag extremity. Orthopedic surgery, vascular surgery, and plastic surgery are all consulted.

All of whom have taken a look at the leg and they think this thing is viable, they're going to save the leg and the saga plays out for the next three weeks. There's aggressive care with takebacks for debridement roughly every other day. Unfortunately, the patient develops septic shock. This leads to [00:19:00] multi-organ system failure, eventually gets an AKA, but the patient dies.

This is a unfortunate scenario that it's a relatively common start to the scenario. Mangled extremity is something that we all see often, and it's a tricky one, right? It's tricky because that decision between light. Over a limb is tough, especially when there's multiple cooks in the kitchen and everyone has one goal, and then you have to be the bad guy or girl sometimes and and change the goal to save the patient's life.

And these wounds are often filled with mud and grass and exposed to diwali's tissue and fractures. These patients that we, we see, they get debrided and they ex fixx. They have wound vacs and flaps and nerve transfers. It can be a real mess, is what I'm getting at. So how do we wrap our head around that, Jared?

Are there any like criteria that we can look at for these mangled extremities? Definitely there's the, uh, mangled extremity severity score or the mess criteria. [00:20:00] This includes ischemia, time, pulse exam, age, level of hypotension, and mechanism of injury with a score of seven out of a possible 14, at least being a suggestion that an upfront amputation may be beneficial.

However, this is an older scoring system and is more of a rough guideline than actual practice these days. We have advancements in wound care, surgical capabilities combined with skin substitutes. Uh, it's not uncommon for a limb with a score of nine or 10 to be saved. Or at least an attempt at limb salvage to be made.

Yeah, and I think adding to this, what what makes this so difficult is that amputation is a tough decision, especially when you haven't had a discussion with the patient. You don't have the patient's family available, let's say they've remained intubated after even their initial debridement, right? So they're, that that's really difficult to take on by yourself.

But really they are made on a case by case basis. And I, I think there comes a point in time when the patient's overall prognosis takes priority, right? So [00:21:00] life over limb is something that's not a difficult of a concept to comprehend, even though the actual practice may be much more. Complex. Uh, another question that I will often ask is, okay, the leg can be saved.

Uh, but what functionality will that limb offer the patient? And fortunately we we're in the United States, we're generally, we do have good prosthesis. Certainly there are exceptions to this overseas where you save the limb no matter what, because somebody with an amputation as an outcast, right? So this can get even more complex when you're not necessarily within the United States boundaries.

Yeah, these are tough cases, but you have to, we have to remember absolutely that the trauma surgeon is the quarterback and sometimes we need to push for an amputation for the benefit of the patient. And as you said, Brill and it, it can be hard to know or feel confident in your decision, especially really early in the patients course.

And whenever possible, I would certainly recommend loading the boat, right? If time permits, have a few trusted partners take a look, ideally even document [00:22:00] their thoughts. And it also depends on what kind of resources you have at your institution and what level of interest and expertise you have from other specialists like orthopedic and vascular surgery.

Some have a great deal of interest in managing these tough, mangled extremities and, and some certainly do not. And you can finally consider a time-limited trial for the severely mangled extremity. Uh, 'cause what you don't wanna do is find yourself in this situation where you're converting from a BK to an AK 'cause you waited too long.

Or in the worst case scenario like this one where the patient ends up dying. And so to that end, Jared, what did we miss? What was the pitfall that we actually missed here that led to this patient's death and can occur in these grossly contaminated, mangled extremities? Yeah. In this case, the pitfall would be a missed fungal infection.

Yeah, I think this is a perfect example of the eyes may not see, but what the mind does not know, right? You, if you don't know to think about a mold [00:23:00] infection, you're never gonna see it. So like these patients that even if you get an upfront damage control amputation, but then they're, they keep going back to the OR for consecutive washouts and their skin or muscle is necrotic.

After they just got debrided to healthy tissue and you have a, another takeback with necrotic tissue and another takeback with necrotic tissue, you should start thinking about mold and start empirically treating with antifungals for a, a diagnosis. If you send it to pathology, it's gonna take forever right?

For them to see that, uh, grow in the lab, but we. Have become more aggressive. At our shop, we have a a protocol where we send the specimen fresh to pathology and they look at it under the microscope in real time for hyphy to diagnose a fungal infection, a frozen specimen just like they do in the cancer world.

So. Yeah, I, I like that Teddy. Don't forget to specifically send that sample from the or. You have to ask, uh, the right questions, [00:24:00] make sure it's tagged correctly. If you have any concerns, reach out directly to pathology. Say, Hey, I need to look for mold. If you don't know what you're doing, just say, what do you, what do you want me to do?

How do I label this? How do I send it? Check for mold, please. Yep. And I, I guarantee that your facility has a pathologist on call somewhere that can help you with that. Yeah, with mold you have to be aggressive in those initial takebacks. And there's another pitfall at the end where you are getting close to formalizing the amputation.

Uh, but really you can only do that when you have several additional washouts that didn't need any further debridement. And the wound bed looks great. Only then should you start to, to formalize and, and say, yes, we're, we're done here. Mold is another thing that I only saw after arriving in Houston, and it really is impressive how quickly it spreads.

Aspergillosis counts in this category that needs prompt debridement. Yeah. There are ups up pitfall Number four, do not find yourself playing limb over life and and [00:25:00] think mold if you find yourself debriding muscle and skin on daily takebacks. And of course these are often polytrauma patients where keeping a non-functional limb can be very burdensome to their recovery.

It's a tough decision. Load the boat. Think about all the different aspects we just covered. Okay. Scenario number five. Our last scenario is a 33-year-old male who presents with a four centimeter stab wound to the right upper quadrant. The patient is hemodynamically stable and taken to the OR for diagnostic laparoscopy, which was converted to laparotomy.

I. For primary pair of the splenic flexor and small bowel resection times one. Five days later, the patient has a persistent and severe ileus, nauseated, vomiting, not passing. Infl CT scan is obtained and that shows small bowel herniating through a right upper quadrant defect. Jared, we miss, oops. Yeah, I missed one.

Huh? Yeah. Oh boy. This one is, uh, a little embarrassing. Um, it appears that somebody got excited that they caught a case and forgot to close the traumatic ventral hernia from the knife that went through the abdominal wall. And [00:26:00] now this patient has an incarcerated ventral hernia. Yeah. So close to perfection yet so far.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades. Nuclear war. Yeah. Not in surgery though. So think about it. We close. 12 millimeter port sites for choles and appies. And you have to remember a stab wound, especially the one, the size in this scenario is four centimeters. So fun fact, an Oreo is 4.5 centimeters, so it's not insignificant.

I'm glad you know that Teddy, I learned something today. So Patrick eight, how would you fix the hernia? Yeah. There's a couple ways that you could do it open. Certainly you already have a stab wound. Maybe if it's big enough, you could look through that stab wound to examine the bowels for viability that's, uh, stuck in that incision.

In this case, again, having already addressed the primary injury, uh, sometimes you might need to extend the. Uh, skin a bit farther to get down to the fascia and take a good look at the, the bowel. And if the bowel slips back in, you can always put a scope in a fresh stick or you can even place the port in the mood and dissipate that way.[00:27:00]

And once bowel viability is confirmed, I would just close the defect in interrupted fashion with PDS or Maxon sutures, if you are doing it at the initial case, you can do from the inside and from the outside. And who knows if that's better in the end, but it makes you feel better when you have that. Have all that PDS and Max on in there.

Yeah, I guess I, I don't know that I would count that as a missed injury, but it's definitely a pretty close one. Yeah, certainly a missed opportunity. Yeah. And the words of Dr. Brian Cotton disappointments, all of you. Here, we, and here we're, we've all heard that. All right. Some, some of us more than others.

Pitfall number five, we forgot to close a traumatic ventral hernia. The devil is in the details and these things do in fact matter. So that wraps up this episode of the Big T Trauma Series, pitfall episode number three. We hope you enjoyed it. Jared, take us away. Dominate the day.

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